Sundial of the Exiled + Boomkin = Nerfed?

Topics: Rawr.Moonkin
Mar 28, 2009 at 5:59 AM
I noticed that Sundial of the Exiled has gone way down in the rankings in 2.0.5 for DPS casters. It is now suggesting that the healing trinket (Egg of Mortal Essence) is substantially better and is ranking Sundial of the Exiled beneath a substantial number of blue trinkets.

Is this a change in Boomkin mechanics or a modelling issue?

Coordinator
Mar 28, 2009 at 6:29 AM
Assuming you mean v2.2.0b5 of Rawr, that's a modeling issue. Dopefish is in the process of reworking how trinket uses are handled and they have some problems at the moment.
Coordinator
Mar 28, 2009 at 7:50 AM
Yeah.  I have corrected the math in source, and the fixed version will appear in build 2.2.0b6.
Mar 28, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Thanks! I downloaded the latest source and gave it a test run.

Sundial of the Exiled has moved substnatially up the carts however it still ranks behind:

Winged Talisman (mp5 + SP proc)
Pendulum of Telluric Currents (74 haste + telluric currents proc)
Egg of Mortal Essence

What is a bit confusing to me is that the Sundial of the Exiled (84 crit base + SP proc) has a score of  ~60 while Extract of Necomantic Power (95 crit + proc) has a score of 82.

According to relative stat values for me now MP5 is now my most important stat and it is reporting that I will be OOM on a IS/MF/W rotation.

My understanding is that the new regen nerf has to do with when you stop casting (i.e. 5 second rule). As a boomkin, I am constantly casting so I assumed that this nerf didn't apply to me.  I do not run OOM in 3.0 even on long fights unless I'm casting hurricane, battle rezzing, etc...
Coordinator
Mar 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Did you check all the appropriate buffs?  Post your character file and we'll see.  Crit, Int, and MP5 are all going to be heavily weighted if Rawr thinks you are going to run OOM.
Mar 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM
I think I have the appropriate buffs checked. Here is my file:

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Coordinator
Mar 29, 2009 at 6:30 AM
I loaded your above file into my local copy of the source, and I was unable to replicate your issue.  It showed no time to OOM, and the trinkets were ranked in the correct order.  I really don't know what else to say.
Mar 29, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Dopefish,

I can confirm that the issue is indeed resolved. I extracted the source code to the wrong directory and didn't notice that I was compiling a ~b1 version of Rawr *sigh*. Thanks for the responses!!