[Enhance] Cant select WF for offhand?

Topics: Rawr.Enhance
Jun 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Hi i was wondering if there was a way to select Winf Fury for both hands as thats what i normally use.. but the box is grayed out..

 

also there used to be an option for selecting boss lvl now thats grayed out to...

 

any ideas?

 

Cheers.

 

Developer
Jun 22, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Edited Jun 22, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Not sure what Enchanting shamans use - I hear that the ring enchants are ok but that Jewelcrafting is a better choice of profession. If you meant Enhancement Shaman then the box is greyed out because you'd have to have REALLY bad gear ie: <1000 spellpower buffed for WF/WF to do higher dps than WF/FT. If you have more than 1000 spellpower buffed (which is only difficult if you are still in greens) then you are really doing it very very wrong to use WF/WF. You'll be telling me next you use fast weapons.

Jun 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Nope  as you can see. just my own buffs over 1200 spellpower no food buffs no flasks. all epics, in 25 man raids i put out about 3.8k dps + using wf wf and magma totem

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Defias+Brotherhood&n=Moomina
Ench sim says using Wf Wf

  DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               958.11    46.6%     81.03
windfury            639.50    31.1%     12.75
stormstrike         109.47    5.32%     3.99      21.99     22.39%
lava lash           57.26     2.78%     3.76      10.36     10.54%
earth shock         205.28    9.98%     5.36      34.64     35.26%
chain lightning     86.34     4.2%      1.64      31.24     31.80%

DPS                 2055.96
MPS                 98.23
MP2min              11788.09
MRPS                62.84
Out of mana time    59.55%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.06s
simulation speed: 1745877x

 

Ench sim says for Wf FT

             DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               943.74    45.71%    80.27
windfury            388.53    18.82%    6.49
flametongue         307.90    14.91%    45.08
stormstrike         84.01     4.07%     3.06      16.84     19.71%
lava lash           93.00     4.5%      4.92      13.56     15.88%
earth shock         156.67    7.59%     3.81      24.62     28.82%
chain lightning     90.74     4.4%      1.60      30.40     35.59%

DPS                 2064.59
MPS                 85.43
MP2min              10251.65
MRPS                49.85
Out of mana time    63.22%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 1.97s
simulation speed: 1829268x

virtually no diffrence as i have gone for a stacking of agi and not spell power as my rotation is SS ES LL & CL if MW is at 5.

 

i tried using more spell power and it dident seem to buff my damage at all!

the way i see it is enhancement shammys are more of a mellee class than a spellcaster.

 

the question is ,, is there anyway to ungray the boxes to check things in rawr or not?

surely its down to personal prefrence over what the bigwigs decide is "the standard"

 

Developer
Jun 22, 2009 at 11:54 PM

OH DEAR!!!

You are doing something REALLY REALLY wrong with EnhSim. I loaded your char in Rawr and exported to EnhSim and it gave the following results... (even only running the sim for 1000 hrs which is way way too short btw add a 0 for at least 10,000 hrs - 20,000 is the normal suggested sim length to get rid of random number effects)

WF/WF

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1629.18   31.81%    85.96
windfury            966.28    18.87%    13.03
stormstrike         276.12    5.39%     6.41      35.33     15.21%
lava lash           196.19    3.83%     7.89      21.73     9.35%
magma totem         425.01    8.3%      2.63      48.83     21.02%
earth shock         482.23    9.42%     8.56      55.34     23.82%
lightning bolt      741.74    14.48%    9.33      68.35     29.42%
lightning shield    181.06    3.54%     0.90      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       223.59    4.37%     0.33      2.75      1.19%

DPS                 5121.40
MPS                 232.33
MP2min              27879.44
MRPS                293.23
Out of mana time    0.21%

elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 29.01s
simulation speed: 1240737x

and WF/FT

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1621.80   30.31%    85.71
windfury            640.78    11.97%    6.95
flametongue         459.38    8.58%     54.05
stormstrike         277.51    5.19%     6.45      35.55     15.61%
lava lash           247.95    4.63%     7.98      21.99     9.66%
magma totem         448.77    8.39%     2.65      49.20     21.60%
earth shock         516.51    9.65%     8.63      55.75     24.48%
lightning bolt      735.16    13.74%    8.53      62.53     27.45%
lightning shield    179.70    3.36%     0.83      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       223.83    4.18%     0.33      2.75      1.21%

DPS                 5351.40
MPS                 227.78
MP2min              27333.54
MRPS                264.44
Out of mana time    0.23%

elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 27.79s
simulation speed: 1295243x

ie: +230 dps

How could you possibly use the same sim and get less than half the dps values? Did you run it with zero buffs? I ran it with a standard 25 man raid buffs spread.

Anyway the answer is Rawr is written to help people optimise their dps why should I write a model that would encourage dramatic dps drops? If you want to run with substandard setup fine please but don't expect that to be modelled in Rawr. The other issue is that modelling dual WF is notoriously difficult and when every run of the sim shows its bad why would I divert time and enormous effort, as its a pig to model, into something no-one will use.

BTW if you need assistance dealing with EnhSim this really isn't the forum. Contact me by PM and I'll be happy to assist and help you understand how to use the sim properly. I suspect your attachment to WF/WF comes from running the Sim wrongly as your results posting clearly demonstrates.

Jun 23, 2009 at 8:51 AM

your completly right lol,, i bow down before you,, i have used rarw for a long time now and wondererd why i was being told by some people that wf wf is much better than wf ft  i think i need to rework it a bit more.. 

 

and yeah help with ench sim might be benificial so i can see where im going wrong:)

 

thanks for the help btw.

 

Developer
Jun 23, 2009 at 9:39 AM

There is a new EnhSim project on Codeplex. http://EnhSim.codeplex.com you can start a discussion there.