Moonkin - Mana Gains + Je Tze issue

Topics: Rawr.Moonkin
Jun 12, 2009 at 4:09 AM

If I equip forge ember, under Mana gains, it says:

Moonkin form: 38.5k, MP5: 17.6K, Replenishment: 15.8K, Innervate: 15.7K...

If I switch that for Je Tze's Bell

Moonkin form: 0, MP5: 17.6K, Replenishment: 0, Innervate: 0

Looks like Je Tze's bell breaks something :(

 Also, as it procs MP5 regen, I'd assume equipping it should have some effect on Mana gains.

 

 

Coordinator
Jun 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Upload an XML file for me, please.  I have tested this on my local copies and it works.

Jun 14, 2009 at 6:30 AM

Dopefish,

Thanks for looking into this. I can reproduce w/ 2.6 by:

Slot->Mana Gains

You should see nothing but MP5 (i.e. no moonkin form/etc)

Click on my Je Tze's bell and change it to some other trinket and see results. 

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Coordinator
Jun 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM

The bug causing it to show 0 for everything except MP5 has been found and fixed.  As for why it's not affecting the mana gains, that's a bit more involved, but what it boils down to is that the mana gained from the trinket does not count directly into your MP5 as shown on the Mana Gains chart.  This was an intentional change, because this chart was giving me a lot of trouble doing it The Right Way (tm) so I chickened out and made it only calculate MP5 while casting.  I may revisit this issue for a future release, but for now, I'm sorry.

Jun 15, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Dopefish,

Thanks for the update. Is there any way to see what the mana/regen impact of the Je Tze's bell is (i.e. some place in either the #s, graphs, etc) that I could use to "sanity check" that the mana returns are being modelled?

I've been trying to get a sense as to how much mana I get back in an average fight from the trinket and how this compares w/ the DPS of my other trinkets and mana regen talents...

 

Coordinator
Jun 15, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Unfortunately, at this time, I can't give you any ideas.  Theoretically it should affect your time to OOM if you change it so that you are guaranteed to run OOM, but that depends on a whole lot of variables and is very imprecise.  The best way to do it would be for me to fix the mana gains chart.  I'll keep looking into that, but I can't guarantee anything because I'm also gearing up to merge into Rawr3 this week.

Jun 16, 2009 at 7:00 AM

No problem. Can't wait to see what you guys are up to in Rawr3!!! :)