Optimize... Build Upgrade List...

Topics: Rawr.Base.Optimizer
Developer
Aug 22, 2009 at 1:23 AM

When building the upgrade list, the item you currently have equipped is not in the list. This makes it very difficult to determine if the other items are actual upgrades or if they are downgrades...

 

Developer
Aug 22, 2009 at 2:13 AM

Can anyone spell /facepalm?

That's the purpose of the Upgrade list, it wouldn't be in the list unless it was an upgrade. Mouse over the item and you can see the necessary item set changes to maximize it's use.

Developer
Aug 22, 2009 at 4:51 AM

This is what RAWR tells me with my Armour piece Selected as equiped....

Item Name,Equipped,Slot,Gem1,Gem2,Gem3,Enchant,Source,ItemId,GemmedId,Overall Upgrade
Heroes' Dreamwalker Vestments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39547,39547.40113.40113.0.3832,762.0037
Gown of Blaumeux,False,Chest,,,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39396,39396.0.0.0.3832,638.4348
Heroes' Dreamwalker Robe,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39538,39538.40113.40113.0.3832,607.574
Fungi-Stained Coverings,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Loatheb in Naxxramas,39259,39259.40113.40113.0.3832,606.7676
Robes of Hoarse Breaths,False,Chest,,,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Noth the Plaguebringer in Naxxramas,39242,39242.0.0.0.3832,588.6328
Tunic of Dislocation,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Gothik the Harvester in Naxxramas,39386,39386.40113.40113.0.3832,502.6924
Heroes' Dreamwalker Raiments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39554,39554.40113.40113.0.3832,491.5098

Here is what it tells me after I select Heroes' Dreamwalker Vestments... Note: The top one in the list above...

Item Name,Equipped,Slot,Gem1,Gem2,Gem3,Enchant,Source,ItemId,GemmedId,Overall Upgrade
Heroes' Dreamwalker Vestments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39547,39547.40113.40113.0.3832,766.3142
Gown of Blaumeux,False,Chest,,,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39396,39396.0.0.0.3832,663.7007
Fungi-Stained Coverings,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Loatheb in Naxxramas,39259,39259.40113.40113.0.3832,650.7708
Heroes' Dreamwalker Robe,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39538,39538.40113.40113.0.3832,631.8235
Robes of Hoarse Breaths,False,Chest,,,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Noth the Plaguebringer in Naxxramas,39242,39242.0.0.0.3832,610.8572
Heroes' Dreamwalker Raiments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39554,39554.40113.40113.0.3832,537.3733
Tunic of Dislocation,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Gothik the Harvester in Naxxramas,39386,39386.40113.40113.0.3832,508.728

So the other ones it list are "UPGRADES?" with my face in my palm? Only the kicker is, "The ACTUAL piece I am CURRENTLY wearing, never show up in the list at all, because it was left out of the calculations as an oversite of the devleoper..."

Item Name,Equipped,Slot,Gem1,Gem2,Gem3,Enchant,Source,ItemId,GemmedId,Overall Upgrade
Conqueror's Nightsong Vestments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Winter in Heroic Ulduar,46194,46194.40113.40113.0.3832,662.5898

But you know I am a smart guy and can work with things that are messed up, so I will change a few settings and show you again, how important it is to "ACTUALLY" compare the item you want to know is an upgrade with the "ACTUAL" item you have equiped.

Item Name,Equipped,Slot,Gem1,Gem2,Gem3,Enchant,Source,ItemId,GemmedId,Overall Upgrade
Heroes' Dreamwalker Vestments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39547,39547.40113.40113.0.3832,739.3083
Conqueror's Nightsong Vestments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Winter in Heroic Ulduar,46194,46194.40113.40113.0.3832,681.5691
Conqueror's Nightsong Robe,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Winter in Heroic Ulduar,46186,46186.40113.40113.0.3832,681.4963
Robes of the Umbral Brute,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Living Stone in Heroic Ulduar,45272,45272.40113.0.0.3832,676.8022
Gown of Blaumeux,False,Chest,,,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39396,39396.0.0.0.3832,629.6968
Fungi-Stained Coverings,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Purified Dreadstone,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Loatheb in Naxxramas,39259,39259.40113.40133.0.3832,625.0188
Heroes' Dreamwalker Robe,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39538,39538.40113.40113.0.3832,598.8359
Embrace of the Gladiator,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Storms in Heroic Ulduar,45473,45473.40113.40113.40113.3832,578.8887
Robes of Hoarse Breaths,False,Chest,,,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Noth the Plaguebringer in Naxxramas,39242,39242.0.0.0.3832,559.4939
Conqueror's Nightsong Raiments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Winter in Heroic Ulduar,46159,46159.40113.40113.0.3832,528.8123
Heroes' Dreamwalker Raiments,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Four Horsemen Chest in Naxxramas,39554,39554.40113.40113.0.3832,507.9507
Tunic of Dislocation,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Drops from Gothik the Harvester in Naxxramas,39386,39386.40113.40113.0.3832,477.6948
Winter's Icy Embrace,False,Chest,Runed Cardinal Ruby,Runed Cardinal Ruby,,Powerful Stats,Found in Cache of Winter in Heroic Ulduar,45453,45453.40113.40113.0.3832,444.6096

As you can see from this "Copy", the "Conqueror's Nightsong Vestments" could have been dumped for what our developer calls a "Can anyone spell /facepalm?".  So according to Jothay, "That's the purpose of the Upgrade list, it wouldn't be in the list unless it was an upgrade." is definitely a face plant for him or the program, because with all the same data and a little change in filters, the Item I asked be included in the list for the purpose of determining the best upgrade, as the option "Build Upgrade List" suggests was compared to and was determined by the RAWR program to be inferior to the "Robes of Hoarse Breaths", not once but twice, until I removed the item and actually put on a different item and now RAWR says it is better then the "Robes of Hoarse Breaths". That is why it should INCLUDE the ITEMS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE EQUIPPED. That way the end-user can have more faith in the program as a whole.

And yes Jothay, apology accepted...

 

 

Developer
Aug 22, 2009 at 5:34 AM

I've read your reply like 6 times and I still can't understand what you were trying to say.

I think the problem lies in a couple of different things (pick any that could be relevant):
1) The items are not properly selected with a Green Diamond for the optimizer per the Help page for Optimize.
2) You are wearing items that can create set bonuses, which can affect the overall values for items that would cause these bonuses to be added or removed.
3) You aren't setting the thoroughness high enough
4) You are using only the gemming templates and haven't selected any of the other gems that could benefit your character (this affects slot bonuses and meta gem requirements)
5) You must also understand that the Optimizer/Build Upgrade list uses a random seed system to generate these changes/lists. It's what makes it really work. Even making no changes and running it twice in a row you can end up with different results.

The most likely thing from what you stated, is #1: that you equipped Heroes Dreamwalker Vestments but then didn't add the Green Diamond, which the Optimizer/Build Upgrade List needs. Without that green diamond it doesn't realize that that item is available to wear.

Aug 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Edited Aug 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM

You should not run Build Upgrade List unless:

1) the gear you're currently wearing has a green diamond next to it

2) you have just optimized

 

Otherwise, the results are bound to be inaccurate.

From the wiki entry on Optimize: "When all items are evaluated you will be presented with a new window with items sorted by their upgrade value. This is the best optimized value including a specific item minus current value. This means that if an item that is already marked as available shows in the upgrade chart it means that your current setup is not optimal and you can use that information to improve your gemmings and enchants."

And Jothay, there's no need to be rude

Developer
Aug 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Thankyou...